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Old 12-12-2005, 09:01 PM
Gamblor Gamblor is offline
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Default Re: Holocaust Denial

Of course there is a difference, and it should be blatantly obvious. That's why we have 3 degrees of murder and different degrees of manslaughter.

I can't believe you really want to go into this, but i'll happily oblige for the masses.

Again, there is no difference between oblique intent and direct intent.

Let's start from scratch. There are 5 levels of intent: direct intent, oblique intent, recklessness, negligence, and no intent. You'll see why this matters in a minute.

Anyone who causes the death of another person, directly, or indirectly, by any means, commits homicide. There are two kinds of homicide: culpable and non-culpable. Any homicide that is non-culpable can't be penalized. Any homicide that is culpable (culpable being through an unlawful act, criminal negligence, causing fear that leads to suicide, or actually scaring to death) is divided into first degree murder, second degree murder, or manslaughter.

Now listen to this part, here is where you'll want to pay attention:
Culpable homicide is murder when either a person means to cause his death or means to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and is reckless whether or not death ensues, or where a person, in committing a crime, does anything that he knows or ought to know is likely to cause death, and thereby causes death to a human being, notwithstanding that he intended to commit another crime without causing bodily harm or death.

This second instance is called "constructive murder". And there isn't a legal system on earth that doesn't equate constructive murder with murder.

Murder can only be reduced to manslaughter if done in the heat of passion, is provoked, or the crime you were originally committing is not certain or highly probable to cause death.

Basically, the point of this all is to show you that if you're committing an act that is inherently dangerous or criminal and death is a certainty or is of high probability, even if you don't directly intend it, you will be charged with murder.

Interning the Jews in concentration camps, underfeeding them, overworking them slave labour, and not providing adequate medical treatment is a near guarantee of deadly diseases and death.

Murder is murder. So if 50% were first degree murder, and 50% second degree murder, that's still a hell of a lot of jail time.
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