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Old 12-12-2005, 05:04 PM
TheHammer24 TheHammer24 is offline
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Default Re: Flush. call/cap flop?

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Which pair are you talking about on the flop? It looks to me like you didn't pair until the river..

I agree that the free card potential is there, but you mention that you rarely expect button to fold, making a free card difficult when we check the turn behind SB.

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I don't think 2BB is really negligible for LP player to call on the turn. 2BB is 2BB, and most players don't like their TPGK anymore.

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I'm saying that we're only getting like 40% of the bets going in on the flop, and only when button calls, when we value-cap here.

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What do you mean it reveals our hand when we go into check call mode? Do you mean it reveals it in this current hand? If so, I don't see why that is a huge problem. Villian is going to showdown.

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I was saying that after we call-cap the flop and check the turn, we're going to expose our hand as a strong draw.

My thinking was that between the times that we don't improve and the times that button folds, we're pushing a fairly thin equity edge to begin with, at the cost of another value-raise should we hit our outs later on in the hand. Perhaps I'm underestimating Hero's equity and the resulting value in a flop raise, however.

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I'm sorry...there was two hands similar to this one in my session last night, and one of them I had a pair and an OESD and the other one was above. So I only have 11 outs to the likely best hand.

But what do you think about this: If I cap and LP folds, then I have 40 - 45% equity, but have gained absolute position and have a solid shot at a free card. However, if LP does not fold then my bet is for value. Either way, I like capping the flop.

I don't necessarily think that call/capping gives away my hand. a) 2/4 players are not usually congnizant of the action b) 2/4 and other players will often cap, correctly, in this spot for deception because they assume that the other player will do it anyway c) 2/4 players often call cap with a monster in this spot
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