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Old 12-12-2005, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Folding the river, (censorsed)

Tex - I think the guy had a straight, just as he said he did.

It's entirely logical for Button to have made a straight on the river. You have four opponents who passively stay to see the river. They're all drawing for something. After this flop you should expect at least one of them to be drawing for a straight, maybe also with non-nut diamonds or also with two pairs or a set.

Button is the one who bets the river, so that Button is probably the one who has made his draw (made a straight).

However, after everyone checks, Button should probably make a positional bet in an attempt to steal the pot. There's enough of a chance for the positional steal by Button to work for it to be an entirely logical play for Button to make with a missed draw.

Therefore, it's also entirely logical for Button to be making a positional steal attempt (bluff) here.

Thus you are torn as to whether to call Button's bet or not.

And then Button provides the free information.

In most games this free information would be a classic tell indicating a missed draw. (It's also a possible reverse tell, indicating a made draw).

With or without the additional information, the size of the pot (14 big bets) shifts the balance to the side of calling. You shouldn't really expect your two pair to win but you should figure Button would make a positional steal attempt (bluff) often enough so that you should call the bet.

So what to do?

You should want to call, except that if you do call after Button's pronouncement, you're telling everybody that you don't trust Button. And that would change the dynamics of the game.

It's a tough one.

On balance, I like the way you handled the situation.

Buzz
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