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Old 12-11-2005, 01:29 PM
AlmightyJay AlmightyJay is offline
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Default Re: A5s and JJ. Opinions please.

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First hand is A5s in the BB. Should I have 4 bet the river? and how about the flop and turn?

SB is complete clueless person. Calling river with king high. Playing 93suited in the early position. The hand:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, Button folds.

River: (7 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#F8F8F8">
Hero has Ad 5d (flush, ace high).
SB has 6d Kd (flush, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 13 BB. </font>


Second hand. I have JJ. On the flop there is overcard. I figured out, my implied odds were 1:19 and in really best possible case 1:23. I was 1: 22.5 underdog. There were all kind of draws on the board and 4 people. JT, QJ, KJ may already have my outs. So I folded on the flop. Correct decision? Please tell me.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB folds.

Flop: (11 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#F8F8F8">
UTG has Tc Qh (straight, king high).
UTG+1 has Qs Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG wins 15.50 BB. </font>

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In hand 1 I'm capping the river against such a terrible player. nh otherwise. Flop is potentially a raise to clean up A/K outs, but I don't think calling is bad either.

Hand 2 I'm betting this flop. You can't immediately assume you're behind just because a single overcard fell. If it was an A, maybe, but it's a K. If it's one bet back to me, I'm calling and folding the turn UI. Two or three back to me and I'm insta-folding.
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