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i like the turn 3bet if hes the type to call down an 8 or 9. you pay the same amount of bets to know that your hand is no good in this spot rather than calling down. the times that youre ahead you win an extra bet. folding to the cap is easy.

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what type of range do you put villain on when he c/c, c/r's? I think this includes lots of Js, some QT, and the occasional no-pair-lets-fold-the-tag move, or semibluff, etc. I think it's rare for a worse hand to call a 3bet and river bet from this type of player...

the loosish passivish guys don't go c/ring middle/3rd pair on the turn, they just keep calling. They occasionally c/r a draw or something weird...I see no reason to open ourselves up to a 4bet which forces us to fold what is often a 4-outer. I call down from the c/r.

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