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Old 12-09-2005, 08:29 AM
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Default Re: strange hand against mike l. 20/40

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I think the call is ok because I can't think of any hands that you beat that call your river raise

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This is why I called -- not to get mike's overcall. (IMO, mike is either folding or checkraising this river, and I'm hoping/praying/fairly sure a checkraise isn't in the works because Mike can't count on the river being bet the way the flop and turn went down -- I think he'd bet/3-bet any hand he would c/r the river with.) A river raise is called by a hand I'm chopping with or losing to, and getting 3-bet by any boat.

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i don't necessarily agree with this. from my experience in live 20/40 games (on the east coast - i hear w. coast is even more ridiculous) you will get your raise paid off by any ace, some kind of oddly played q9s, q8s, or similar, and maybe even some other stuff.

though these would be strangely played hands if he has them, so would any of his FH hands that would 3-bet you (except jj). people play really badly at this level.

so i still think it's a raise for value, although close. also, i think mike is folding here nearly always, even if you don't raise.
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