[citanul]

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I just view this as if they have pushed, and act accordingly. Actually their hands even tend to be weaker than you'd expect - often Ax where x is absolute crap.

It gets no respect from me. I very rarely do it.. I can't even remember the last time.

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tigerite,

your response is exactly as interesting to me as all the rest of them. at some point i'll go through them all.

you "view it as if they have pushed and act accordingly" but it "gets no respect from you."

the hands are "weaker than i'd expect - often Ax ..." but you treat it like they've pushed and act accordingly.

these things don't add up. either it has more folding equity or not against you. either you treat it exactly like a push or not.

more importantly, if you think that they do it with crap, shouldn't you be continuing with more hands than you would against a push? if it's an effective way of making people fold more, why wouldn't you do it yourself?

c