Without backdoor straight/flush draws, yeah, he doesn't. But sometimes OP will make a two way hand here. When I said he was getting 8:1 to peel (?) I was taking into consideration he had a live backdoor high draw.

Also, his implied odds when he makes his low are decent, considering this hand was 4-way if I remeber correctly.



The hand is completely different if he just has 2,3.


A 5 on the turn gives him a semi-wrap, and any 2,3 or 4 gives him a wheel draw. Not to mention that any 5,6,7,8 gives him an uncounterfeitable low draw.


I think the only reason I'm really advocating a flop call is that this hand is 4-way, and some of the time OP will make a two way hand with his backdoor draws.


I also reccomend playing this game primarily on the turn, I feel flop play is secondary.

Also, I think a loose aggressive PF and flop strategy is correct in many O8B games, and that the turn is when you have to make more adjustments to your play.