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Old 12-06-2005, 04:36 AM
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Default Re: NL50 QQ .. did I hit the turn or not?

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1) Lots of money in the pot .. I wouldn't be too unhappy if I took it down now. I'm new, and I'm a little afraid of big pots.
2) I thought hands like AK,AQ,AJ might call.
3) I'm not very good.
4) There's $43 in the pot and I have $90 in my stack. If I pot it and get a call, there's $129 in the pot and I have $47 in my stack on the river. No bet of mine means much on the river at this point, right? Or are you saying that that's the point: I'm pretty committed with my set now anyway. Or are you saying I should bet something like $25, leaving a pot of $93 and a stack of $65, which is a little more meaningful? I believe you that I should probably value-bet here, but I don't really know how yet.

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When you make a bet like this, you're likely to get called by one hand, the nut straight. Or, I suppose, the bottom end, and they both are WA of you.

If you VB, you may get called by the hands you mention, along with KJ, JT, KT, KQ, etc. But, they really can't call you if you push there, unless they are total donks. A VB of $35 there would be real nice. Prices out draws: If they call you with a weaker hand, you win, whether they hit the hand or not.

Find a style or system of value betting that you are comfortable with. Usually near pot on the flop and something around 2/3-3/4 pot on the turn. So for example, you flop TPTK HU with a pot of $8.50, bet $7 on the flop. Guy calls you pot is now about $22.50, bet something like $16 on the turn. You just have to find what you are comfortable with. And then make your contination bets the same size as your value bets. (Some people go 2/3 pot on flop, 1/2 on turn, which is fine as well)

Value betting properly is probably the key to how much success you will have at NLHE. If you can play ABC/TAG poker, you can win. How much of a winner you are is determined largely by how well you value bet. Hand reading also key, but that goes part and parcel with value betting. Don't be afraid of people chasing and hitting draws. Anytime someone chases with bad odds and hits a draw, it's good for you long term. Loose passives chasing (either draws or with a lesser made hand when they misread you) are where you make the bulk of your $$$ at NL100 and below.

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I suppose the other way to interpret that is that if I want to push with QQ there, I should also bluff sometimes to make up for it. I don't really see myself bluffing there often enough to make up for it .. what do you think?

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Get the basic ABC stuff down first before you start thinking about metagame issues. Bluff rarely until you are firm and confident in your game. One barrel, every once in awhile, no one's interested in the pot kind of bluffs are what I am talking about for a couple BB's here and there. Don't be throwing your whole stack in the middle as a bluff.

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Raise more preflop from the SB.

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Something like $5 sound better? I tend to raise smaller here when I'm out of position, but you're probably right again.

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You want to raise more when you are OOP preflop. Smaller just prices in limpers and they will have position on you throughout the hand. $5 is better for sure.

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Ok, so you get to the river with poker left to play, unlike me. How scared are you of an A or a T? If no A or T comes, stick the rest of your stack in?

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I'm more concerned about a 9, then a T. If no 9,T,A hit, I'd stick the rest in the middle. If one of those cards hit, I might c/c.
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