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Old 12-05-2005, 12:12 PM
beaster beaster is offline
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Default After the flop odds/after the turn odds

I think I've been making a pretty serious error in valuing my hands. I read the Memorizing the Odds article in this month's 2+2 magazine and almost [censored] a brick when I realized what I've been doing.

I'VE BEEN USING TURN ODDS TO VALUE MY HAND AFTER THE FLOP.

As an example of this, let's take a hand like KQo in the BB. Here's my thought process:

Preflop: Check or call for 1 bet.

On the flop: The flop is something like J 8 3, rainbow. Hm, I have 6 outs, do I have odds to call? (7 to 1) If there's 7 bets in the pot, I call, otherwise, I fold. I fold if the flop is raised.

On the turn: If I see the turn and whiff, again I still have 6 outs. Do I have odds to call (7 to 1 again)

I've got it wrong on the flop, don't I? To make my hand by the river, the odds I have are actually 3 to 1. Barring any strong draws or serious action, I should pretty much be calling everytime to see the turn or in some cases, raising. I then revaluate my hand on the turn. If I missed, THEN my odds to make my hand are 7 to 1.

Sweet jesus I feel like a fool.
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