I think a winning player WINS money! End of story THat is wins minus loses >> 0 in the long run. There is sometimes a difference between winning poker players and great poker players. Mike Matusow is a great poker player when he is on his game, when he is not he is a huge fish! From what I have read and witnessed he is a losing poker player. In the long run means tens of thousands of hands or thousands of sng's, etc. See Post on statistical significance... The points about tilt and what makes a winning player win are irrelevant to me. This refers to what makes a player a winner....consistency, making +EV decisions, playing in games with lesser players....etc. I am rambling here but winning in poker means winning money!!!!!!! THe proof is in the bottom line!