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Old 12-01-2005, 01:41 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: 88 Out of Position

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I don't like villain's line at all. Since the flop has been addressed, I'm going to provide my thoughts on the turn. The optimal turn line is bet/fold, in my opinion. When villain is ahead, you'll have ~10 outs (villain is likely only ahead of AK, and possibly AJ), and therefore it's paramount villain charges draws, and avoids giving a free card.

I also think there's a strong argument for check/folding the flop because of the reverse implied odds. It's likely villain is behind, and when ahead you have a vast number of outs to improve to a superior hand. Conversely, villain's drawing close to dead, and it's unlikely you'll pay off with a busted draw/overs.

Come to think of it, I'm leaning toward simply folding the flop.

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I think a turn donk is fine so long as Villain isn't too concerned about getting semibluff-raised.

Hero is unlikely to fold any of his likely holdings on the turn. And if he won't fold AKo, then a turn donk is worth about 3/4 to 4/5 of a BB versus that hand, assuming Hero will always take the free card with AK if offered and will never raise the turn with AK.

Plus, if Hero can be counted on to raise only his better hands, then Villain can lay down now and avoid a difficult river decision (at the cost of losing his small chance of spiking a set).

The reason I hesitate to bet-fold the turn is that I've been running into some very aggressive overcard play (well, that's how it seems to me -- I'm still adjusting to 5/10), and I'm worried that a turn donk will look like a bet-fold line and will invite Hero to call with some hands that have Villain beat and semibluff-raise with hands that don't. Also, I think a lot of players will fire again anyway with AK (if checked to).

On the flop, I don't have a big problem with check-folding, but I would probably check-call instead.
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