[stone_7]

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I think it's a close call between raising it to 25,000 or moving in. Moving in often will maximize your FE, but the one downside is that many players will simply assume you have AK and look you up with something like a mid. PP - and they would be correct to do so given the dead money. The raise to 25,000 makes it far more likely, to some, that you have a hand like AA-QQ. Given your stack size, it also means that you can be forced out of the pot on the flop since you will be moving all-in no matter what falls.

My decision would be based on whether the 25,000 chip raise will be perceived as more threatening. I don't like calling here because the chances that all will fold are too great and you'll scoop a really nice pot.

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huh???
Look at the chip stacks:
UTG (t6335)
UTG+1 (t7696)

UTG is all in and UTG+1 is getting obscene odds on calling for his last 1500 chips, furthermore if you don't raise preflop these chips are going in on the flop regardless. UTG+1 can't even post the full BB if he folds. Neither of them is folding this hand PERIOD.

Therefore the question is do you want to play this by yourself vs 2 opps or have some help. If you raise any amount I think you will fold everyone who has 2 brain cells that has not acted yet. Even AA vs 3 opponents is not a lock hand and losing will cripple the big stack. If you call the big stack should call with almost any 2 (he is gettign 5:1 on his money with 5k to call into a 25k pot) and should check it down to the end. IMHO this is the result that you want. By eliminating 2 players you move up from $90 to $180 (correct me if I am wrong on the amounts the concept will still hold true). By inviting the big stack into the hand you do reduce your ECV but maximize your E$V. Besides, if you call you should feel comfortable playing this hand postflop if the big stack decides to make a play for the pot because you will have position. However, the big stack is making a huge mistake making a play for the pot because even if he chases you out he still must beat the other 2 hands and has 0 FE. In addition he will be putting chips at risk into a side pot that currently has no other chips in it. By the same token you should be prepared to check it down even if you flop TPTK because combined you have more outs if you are behind. This form of collusion is very important in the last table of tourneys especially at the end as you are trying to move up and the dollar amounts increase very rapidly.

Given that the right move is obviously to call and check it through then I think any discussion of what UTG and UTG+1 have is irrelevant but for my money I expect them to make this move with any ace, PP, or even suited king. I had a similar hand last night and I ended up calling with A J vs k 5 and 4 4. I suspect he is in a similar situation here.