[imported_The Vibesman]

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Ok my fingers did not bleed but they got numb.
What I would like you guys to look at:
1) Just what am I up against on the flop the turn and the river.

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Well, the donk-3bet on the turn seems to be saying he can beat top pair. I'd say you're probably behind at that point to a set, better two pair or maybe even the str8. You need to slow down on the turn.

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2) This looks exactly like the tables you guys dream of. How do you survive IDIOTS playing random hands and having some type of genetic need to see the show down?

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Play good hands. Don't be overaggressive with marginal holdings.

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4) Why when I walk away from a game like that before I tilt do I feel ok and incontrol but when I come here to post a hand that bothers me I just want to vomit. I should feel better trying to come here and post, looking for solutions but when I do I feel like there really is no answer to my problem.

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Don't know what to tell you there, it's just the opposite for me. Got to let go, young samurai.

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5) <font color="red">Please if you feel the need to comment on my pre flop play do it in a PM. I will answer you and tell you how stupid I was for not folding/raising this hand out of the blind. This hand and my play is not about preflop. </font> If you think that it is please PM me and I will listen.


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Are you serious? Do you really think someone would tell you to play this any differently preflop? You're in the big blind, there is no bet to you, so why fold? You've got 92o, so why raise? Preflop and flop are fine here.

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6) I am having some serious second thoughts about TOP and the worshipping of the 2+2 writers. I know that this is blasphamy but if Slansky and Miller were as good as they say then they would be house hold names like Chan, Unger, Moneyspender sorry Moneymaker, and gag me with a spoon Helmouth. If poker is so good to them then why are they not playing rather than selling books and running a web site? If you want to comment about this I suggest that a PM would be most appropriate.


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This text is a waste of space. There may be a forum on these boards that this commentary would belong in, but it's not this one. Try to stick to specific concepts and ideas.

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I know that you are going to say "you should have seen that straight and the flush draw" but the facts are I protected my hand, I represented a higher straight, and another player came along with only a pair.


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There is no higher str8 possible than the one SB holds. He has the nuts on the turn. As someone else noted, his mistake was not 3betting the flop (I think he could have made up for that by checkraising the turn, but no matter.)

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We know that idiots are going to play (myself included) so how is it good advice to bet and lower our standards as the pot fills up? Would we not be cash ahead if we folded each and every hand that has a flush or straight draw on the board. I can not tell when these guys even know they have a hand. I seriously wonder if the winner of this hand even knew what he was drawing to.


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Deep breaths, Buccaneer. Deep breaths.