BTirish,

I didn't actually mean to contradict your post directly, I was referring to general opinion on the start of life as creation of a unique pattern (you have to reply to someone). I think that definition is weak and being concerned because we as a whole potentially missed out on one random set of chemicals being created is no loss (I meant that concern is anal, like being concerned a small part of large and meaningless trivia collection is missing, I fully support defining terms [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).

2nd point we agree on.

3rd point, see my thread "Scientology and Christianity currently tied", in summary, Christians believe scientolgy is silly, Christians can draw no meaningful distinctions for why their religion is different (more credible), so by my logic and theirs, they must be irrational.