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Old 11-29-2005, 10:57 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 KQs top pair+flush draw

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Standard, though I hope your pushing that turn if someone bets.

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I'm torn between calling the active villain again, and pushing. I dont mind the other guy staying in. And there arent *too* many cards that I dont like to see (a J or a T spring to mind, and maybe an A, but only non-diamond versions).

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I think push is superior because

1. Calling villain could be on the bigger flush draw.

2. Raising villain could have AK

It is a horrible way to play a set unless he knows you are going to bet a draw on the turn, but oh well, next hand.

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Im going broke on a diamond, so if he does have A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then c'est la vie. But if he has a draw, then I dont mind him staying in the pot, because most of the time he is drawing stone dead.

If Raising villain has AK, then I dont want to raise and push him off it. What if the river bricks ... and he checks ... and I get to represent a missed flush who is now bluff-pushing?

Im not sure I like raising, if I will lose AK and a lower [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw, then is it not a bad play to raise?

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Well, I think that is indeed a big if, maybe you do lose them, maybe you don't. Maybe you see the bigger flush draw more times than you see a smaller one, your certainly not getting any more money from a draw on the river though.

Also pushing gets all of raising villains $ in (if he calls) but if you call and the river is a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then you lose a lot of value to AK.

I guess arguments can be made for both cases, but I simply like pushing because there are a lot of river cards that make both villains fold + they can outdraw you.

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AK normally folds to a turn push, especially when the push is into a field ... I probably push if I dont hit the Q and villain bets, as then I might get him to fold, having outs if he calls. But now that I've hit the Q .... I like to keep him in I think.

Other villain could have a bigger diamond draw, but its unlikely I guess as I hold both the K and the Q. Still, it certainly possible. But if he can hold a smaller flush draw (which he surely can) then pushing must be bad as he might fold, and that would prevent the glorious opportunity to stack him on a rivered diamond. Yes, I risk getting stacked myself by the nut-flush draw, but surely its worth it as its much more likely that he has a worse draw/worse made hand.

Thinking more on it, I think I would call, in position on raising villain, hoping to stack raising villain on a blank, and calling villain on a diamond.

Thoughts ?
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