aha sorry i shouldnt even have posted the postflop action, its my fault so im not going to criticise anyone for ignoring the 'preflop only' part. postflop i was multitabling and watching a movie on a 17inch screen lol.... my bad again, i just didnt think the postflop action was debatable, looking back i see some good arguments for actually continuing

i was really interested though in preflop action because lately ATo in EP and MP im having a lot of trouble with, particularly when limpers are involved.... not that im losing money, but im just guessing at the correct play, raising calling or folding based on how tilted i am

the answers so far for what i should do preflop are...

Raise preflop
Raise/call preflop
Call preflop
Raise/fold preflop
Fold preflop
Call preflop
Raise/fold preflop
Call/fold preflop
Call preflop

so

Raise: 4
Call: 5
Fold: 4


aiyahh........ =(


i would really appreciate anyone that argued a certain way in terms of preflop giving reasons why.

Raise:

Pros: Takes control through dialogue and improving position, especially if the table is on average w/t postflop.
Discourages multiway action in general, where ATo is very weak (slippery slope); also can fold better hands such as AJo, which would otherwise have us dominated
Pushes equity edge against a random field.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

115,430 games 13.907 secs 8,300 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 17.0293 % 15.72% 01.31% { ATo }
Hand 2: 12.0003 % 10.95% 01.06% { random }
Hand 3: 11.9042 % 10.84% 01.06% { random }
Hand 4: 11.8424 % 10.79% 01.05% { random }
Hand 5: 11.8327 % 10.79% 01.05% { random }
Hand 6: 11.6752 % 10.65% 01.03% { random }
Hand 7: 11.8117 % 10.74% 01.07% { random }
Hand 8: 11.9046 % 10.83% 01.07% { random }

Cons: im not even sure if there is enough equity to push, considering anyone that coldcalls us almost certainly has a better hand and now has position on us postflop.
Wasting 2BB instead of 1BB to see a flop, if reraised we waste 3

Call:
Pros: A decent hand with some high card value, why not see a flop?
Avoids the postflop expectation cut ala SSHE pg. 88; it doesnt tie your hand to the pot and you can escape easily a bad flop without losing anything in metagame

Cons: This hand falls apart multiway and 2 limpers is totally encouraging further limpers as fish school behind us, if we hit a lone ace our kicker will most likely not hold up
Loses that very thin equity edge discussed earlier.

Fold:
Pros+Cons: Perfectly zero expectation. If both earlier plays are longrun -ev then folding is correct.