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Old 11-28-2005, 07:47 PM
Greg J Greg J is offline
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Default Re: General HE forum required reading

I think it's good when people point out inconsistencies like this. Good question. Jason's (detruncate's) answer was good, and I would like to add something. In and of itself 7.7% pfr is not HORRIBLE, but in conjunction with an 18+vpip it is WAY too low. If yr vpip is ~15 (which is probably too low), then a preflop raise of ~8 to 9 is more acceptable. With a vpip of 18 yr pfr should probably be at least 10 or higher.

The point is that PFR is not a stat you should look at in isolation, but rather in conjunction with vpip. If I see a player with a good sample of hand that have a vpip of say 23, but a pf raise of 5 or lower i usually make a note of it. This is out of proportion. I interpreted Ed's advice to mean "keep the 18, raise up that 7." He said at least double digits, though I don't think 18/9 is horrible, though 18/11 is closer to ideal.

Also, Ed tends to use more extreme phrasing and examples to make his point sometimes.
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