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Old 11-28-2005, 05:04 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Am I drawing dead?

Well, as I said, with these stacks I don't really like betting the turn because even if biggie pushes, you're getting pretty good odds on a pretty big draw and does he REALLY only do that with a full house? Meh. But with deeper stacks, where even if he smooth calls the turn with a full house, you will be able to get away after value betting the river, then I like it. I like it because what I don't want to happen is to have biggie check and then shortie push and then I call and then it is PAINFULLY obvious that I have a draw and then I will never get paid by UTG and I will be sandwiched and UTG can blast over the top because it is clear that I have nothing and he can get me out with his middle pair or whatever the hell he might have and take his chances against the short stack and that will just suck for me. Also, it will be very hard for him to raise even with a straight on the turn if stacks are very deep because he has to worry about getting stacked by a boat (say, bottom two pair on the flop). Once you check the turn, it is so obvious that you are drawing, I don't like it at all.

Another devious play that I just thought of, actually, that you could have used on this hand is to bet something like 12 on the turn which may freeze up biggie or may also get him to call thinking that he will re-raise once shortie pushes but not realizing that shortie's raise is too small to reopen the betting. I have seen stupider things happen. Obviously against decent opponents I won't usually take that line. I would be more likely to actually bet $8 with a full house or something against good opponents. Whatever. There are obviously lots of options and I am now rambling. But basically your line says DRAW all over it and I would definitely price you out on the turn if I were biggie with a straight. Tough spot, though, and not much you can do about it. I think check and call something small or just fold to something big is not a bad line.
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