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I think an important point of Entity's posts in the excellent Qtip thread is that we WANT bets to go in on the flop here. If the board texture makes it more likely that someone will bet or raise we should be more reluctant to bet out than if the board texture makes it less likely that someone will bet out.

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I agree with everything

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Since we don't hate money reads are (as always) essential.


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FYP.
If there is one thing I took from Entity's post is that individual reads and relative position based on those reads are most important playing this sort of hand.


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I just thought that one point should be clarified; we do NOT want this flop to get checked through.

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If you bet and get all 4 villians to call.

You make (.35*4sb)-1 = .4sb

If the flop gets checked through you get
(.19*5.5)- 0 = 1.045sb

I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] getting this flop checked through.



Since I'm the only one arguing for the 'I don't bet this' side. This thread is becoming tiresome.

If it's done nothing but made you and me read the Qtip thread, my time was worth it but I think I can let it die now.