First i would make 1.25 standard starting rraise + 0.25 for every limper. $1 just seems to keep the junk hands in with me, wierd how a quarter makes the difference [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. Anyway, it appears with villans weak turn bet that he is on sometype of draw and/or has a weak holding. Im bumping up the turn to $12 to see where i stand. He calls that and rivers a blank im value betting against a J i believe.