[thirddan]

i bet both of these...

hand 1...huge field, somewhat ragged board so you can't be sure a bet will go in or where it will come from, so just bet it yourself...your J might also be an out here...

hand 2...super ragged board, its possible you pick this one up here often i think, and other times you will pick it up with a turn bet...on this board your pair outs are also somewhat likely to be good...