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Obviously since I opened the orginal thread, I was at that table.

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As a relative noob, I greatly respect several of the opinions I've read here. I did run across a situation yesterday that may be an exception to "2+2 table talk".

A fairly tight player was berating the table fish about "not respecting pf raises, etc". After several of us asked him to stop the berating, I tried a different tactic and suggested he check out this forum to learn more about variance (or why his best hands will get sucked out on from time to time).

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I had no problem with you saying something to the likes of.. Dude, it's variance, get over it. But, you kept on putting variance in his face, and he came back with "explain your brilliant philosophy to me beach". When I saw that, I was thinking.. "great, here we go, now the whole table is gonna tighten up because there now appears to be 2 table coaches". You actually came back with the awesome answer of: "would take 2 long". Then like 3 -4 hands later, out of the blue, you told him to go to 2p2 to look it up. Arrrrgh I said inside my head [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Another good player asked me when this guy busted out & left why I tried to help him?

My reason was - if this guy does get better, he will realize ON HIS OWN to not spook the fish.

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Let me try to explain a bit about this guy. I have played w/ him for quite some time, before poker tracker was available for FT. I've probably played 250 or so hands with him. He is tight, very tight, BUT, he doesn't know how to fold after he has decided to play his cards. Go back and look at that session. He folded 4 times at the flop, with 3 of them when he was in the blinds (2 BB, 1 SB). He then proceeded to NEVER fold either on the turn or the river. I had this in my notes about him after maybe the first 30 hands with him and he has still yet to prove me wrong. So while he is not your normal fish, I still make a nice chunk off of him on the expensive streets.

Another thing, this guy ALWAYS tries to stir the pot and make players want to go right for him. Because he is tight preflop and typically has a decent starting range, he wins a bunch of these situations. If you notice, when everyone started ignoring him, he basically shut up. But, then you had to egg him on later asking him why he was so quite and if he was still pondering about variance! Why would you do that? He stopped berating the players, yet you wanted to rile him up again?

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BTW - I dod not notice any difference in play from the fish, but the 2 other good players that I had ID'ed pretty much left me alone which was actually +EV for that session. Clearly I have not played nearly enough to consider that a conclusion.

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I did notice a difference. One guy who is typically a 60 VPIP was a tight 25-30ish (*tight for him) for that session. Now it could of just been the cards, but I know this guy plays a lot of things like QTo from UTG.