[Drontier]

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i dont think there are any contradictions in my description of CO.

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If you say so, I don't usually co-associate "passive" and "makes thin value bets". If you meant that he will bet light but won't raise light, which I guess you hinted at, then ok.

That doesn't answer the rest of the questions, however, does the villian need a straight to bet here, I think thats what you need to establish.

lf

[/ QUOTE ]youve never seen a tricky player that rarely raises people but will make marginal value bets? If he is bet into hes usually pretty tight and will fold? I think my description is almost as descriptive as possible.