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PM,

Bluff, and the rest of us Christians, do not accept the existence of the "objective" scale of nuts/less nuts. It is merely in David S.’s context of nuts/less nuts that he posts this. Bluff’s main point with his post is to show many on the forum that they have no clue what our Religion is about.

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Well, OK. Fair enough.

I must say though, that if any of you understand what DS is talking about with his "scale", you also accept it in some way. You can't have one without the other (talk to chezlaw about logic, "meaning", etc [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). It is pretty clear that Bluff is rather proud with this statement by this guy from the vatican, i.e, he thinks it does matter in some way where exactly you stand on DS' "nuts/less" ladder (for instance, in comparison to protenstants, or other religion). Otherwise I can't see why post this at all.

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PM,

The only thing we believers agree to when entering into the discussion here on the forum is to use the “language” of the person talking. This does not mean because we accept the vernacular for discussion purposes that we concede to any premises. If neither side agrees to start at some point then there is no discussion.

Bottom line is that we believers think atheists are nuts and visa versa. Sure, we can stop there and say then there is no point in going further. What does that serve? (Of course, there is no point, per se, to all this discussion.) The good the discussion does, as I see it is two fold: To come to a better understanding of others and to partake in the “journey of life" more fully.

If we look at it from your point then it is all nonsense. As is all philosophy nonsense then. So too then is cosmology and things of that sort. I mean what do we really expect to find in the cosmos - are we going to find some key to unlock the doors of perception? Perhaps, I am naïve but I fund that not bloody well likely.

The only thing that Bluff is proud of is in Dr. Coyne’s genius. It is not evident from the short article, but the guy is no dummy. Do you really think that the director of the Vatican Observatory doesn’t have a clue to cosmology? If that is the case (that you think he has no clue) then Bluff posting the link is more important than I am sure he originally thought.

RJT