[jthegreat]

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I've always agreed that my reasoning about this is circular. All human reasoning about ultimate issues is circular. You can't prove that human reason is the ultimate standard of truth without assuming the validity of human reason, so all non-theistic reasoning is also circular. The reason for this is the finitude of man - we don't know all things so we have to start with unproved assumptions. My fundamental presupposition is that the Bible is God's Word.

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And as I quite clearly showed in the Paradox thread, all presuppositions are not created equal. Yours is immensely weak compared to the presupposition that there is order in nature (and thus that human reasoning is valid). You keep saying there are good reasons to make your presupposition, but you also keep *not* explaining any of them.