amazon/shauna,

those are in the ball park of some of the other numbers.. sounds like you have to move way up in limit to avoid the effect of the rake.

one thing about B&M is that the players can be really, really bad, which i only see online in tournaments, B&M where the downside is capped or in micro-limits... there are lots of o.k. players at 4/8 online i find. B&M the o.k. players just don't have to patience to wait for cards that they do online (either multi-tabling or watching TV)