[Dazarath]

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Do they rake $4 out of EVERY pot...or is that just the max rake?

Because at 2/4 it wouldn't be uncommon for some of the pots to fail to meet the max.



However, I'm betting that 6-7BB/100 in an unraked-type game probably isn't too far off from what you would have to do to beat 2/4 live in the long-run.

At 33 hands/hr this would be about 2BB/hr.

So 6BB/100 at 2/4 live would be about $8/hr IF there is no rake.

And I think this would be close to break-even with the $4 max-rake up to 10%.


33 hands might add up to $80 in total rake taken off the table in an hour ($2.44/hd).

And this would be 10 players paying $8 each approximately each hour (although the looser players are going to be contributing more to the take..and you are going to be contributing less to it).


Factor in the occasional $0.50 or $1 tip and maybe even a jackpot drop on top of that and it would appear that 7BB/100 or higher is what would be necessary to squeak out a long-term win-rate at 2/4 live.

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Thank you MicroBob. This is what I was looking for. As for the rake, I'm going to have to ask my roommate. I haven't played 2/4 live for a long time. I was just under the assumption that once the flop hit, the rake + jackpot was $4. Of course, if everyone folds and the SB completes, a $4 drop would leave the pot with exactly $0, so this may not be correct.

Another note, I'm not sure what you mean by the 10% max. I live in California, and I always thought that (here) they're not allowed to rake based on the size of the pot for some legal reason or other.

If you say that 7 BB/100 (unraked) is necessary to beat the Commerce 2/4 game, then the question about what's the possible BB/100 for a decent-good small stakes player?