Thanks for all the responses. After reading them I did realze I had limited my data to players with more than 500 hands, when I removed the filter the numbers were in line where everyone said. Thanks for the help again. It took over 5000 hands but finally got out of the hole and am now up. I was already tight just got more aggresive with my hands after the flop. Had some swings but was amazed to see what people were holding that I had been folding to. Still have to be carfull, it seems you have to be very patient, what with blinds only changing hands for a long period then a big hand finally hits. Sorry rambling again. Thanks again for the info. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]