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I was the n00b who got pwned by diablo in this argument. And based on what I said the part he posted its hard to argue with his logic. But here is my final point which I also stated at the end of our convo.
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k heres my last point, i think its the guy who is not immediatly showing or mucking, that is the one being a dick and contributing to the non-fun atmosphere, our action is only a response to his, thats like if one guy doesnt straddle, so then we decide we dont want to either, but only after someone else doesnt
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I love the "He's being a dick, therefore I can be a dick" argument.