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So you are discounting Gregs read?

Pushing it pre-flop would be crazy. Pushing it on the flop would be crazy. Greg had a pretty big stack and overbetting pre-flop or the flop would only get him called by a better hand.

One can argue that he underbet the flop or the turn, but that is Greg's way of playing. He is not going to pot bet all the time. He would rather underbet which allows him to do it for a lot more than just his good hands.

If you were Greg, you wouldn't have won in 2004 or made it to 25th in 2005.

Ken

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Pushing pf would not be crazy. Neither would doing it on the flop. He needs to have a roadmap of where he is going with the hand. I don't think he was thinking two steps ahead. If he's going to call in at some point, just push earlier. Slowplaying KK is a disaster on a dangerous board.


I have alot of respect for Raymer and think he is a terrific player. But I just don't like his play on this hand - which is not an insult to him.