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Old 11-08-2005, 03:07 PM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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Default Re: You, sir, are not a fish (LC)

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Had I been raising on a naked flush or straight draw, he would've forced me to fold.

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I know this isnt the point of the original post, but wouldnt it be better for villain to smooth-call your raise, and bet you out of the pot on a safe turn? That would blow your nice draw to pieces, is a good defence against the flop semi-bluff with the bog-standard draw, and he'll lose his stack against a 2-pair/set anyway.

Ojo_Rojo

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Sure, but how does he know what's a safe turn card? Clubs are the easiest things for him to know might kill his hand (he didn't have a club redraw, BTW) but he doesn't want to see tons of other cards, either. Any 3 or 8 makes a straight possible, any 7 or 6 gives me a pair to go with my OESFD, any non-king broadway card could conceivably give me two pair (he doesn't know at this point that calling a raise with ATo is not something I'm likely to do as many people will call a raise with a hand like that). That doesn't leave many cards in the deck that he really wants to see. By pushing, he ensures he can't be outplayed later. For example, what if I have AQ and he check/folds a club turn? Also, if he pushes and I ONLY have a club draw, I'm making a mistake to call (and its a mistake many people would make in this game).

I'm not saying his push was absolutely correct 100% of the time; just giving some reasons why he might want to do it.
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