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You have roughly 18% of hitting one of your outs on the river, and like you said not all of your outs may be clean.


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18% - are you discounting one of my 9 outs or taking into account dirty outs? If all my 9 outs are clean I count 24% to improve.

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Your image is one of stealing, as you stated before. I think there's a good chance that he's going to be looking you up no matter what because you keep taking away pots, and especially if he has top pair he's hanging in there.


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True, but doesn't think mean I have a helluvalotta implied odds given that i DO improve and he's holding just top pair?

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If you miss the river, you're losing those chips you put in on the turn, and unfortunately you'll be missing that river 82% of the time. I think you should just wait for a better spot rather than trying to push someone out again and getting them even more riled up at you.


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I think you misunderstood - I never inteded to push them out of the pot. More of the opposite, I wanted to stay in, improve my hand to {2-pair/set/straight} and double up since he's already pissed about my stealing, he won't put me on any of these hands.

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of course, the pot odds are close to right to make this call, but I don't like to get too caught up in the nice pot odds when as you said, not all of your outs may be clean. If you hit on of your "outs" and it's bad for you, you're going to lose a lot more chips.


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This is true ... so how can I count my set / 2pair outs? Are they worth 1/2 an out each? 3/4? My straight outs im sure are all clean ...

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Then again, perhaps I'm too tight in this situation. If you feel like you can run over him, I suppose go with it, but this is purely just my thought process on this hand.

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Maybe i mis-spoke before - I never wanted to run over him. I am tryin to weigh the immediate odds + implied odds + my table image to see if making this 4:1 call is +EV ... and also see if missing & crippling my chip stack is worth the risk at this point