[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
You gotta raise preflop and I would say check call the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't really agree with the PF raise but it's not what I want to talk about this hand either.

[/ QUOTE ]
we are going to talk about it... not raising in te described situation is horrible.. you are just giving away that free money.

i would fold to the river raise... i guess he has the nuts, what else would play this way?

[/ QUOTE ]

again, I disagree. all a raise PF does a build a pot for chasing overcards. it's not giving away money because the extra money that goes in preflop that exploits your equity edge is lost (and then some) to the entire pots lost to chasing overcards in a big field of fish. I am 100% comfortable with the PF decision here. it's not the aspect of the hand I am seeking advice on.

as for the river, I don't have to be right very often here. isn't it a clear call based on pot odds alone?