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It saddens me that you've lowered a possible relationship to poker terms and being conniving and sneaky to the girl.

Please go outside once in a while.

Meanwhile, if you like the girl, tell her so. Snowball is by no means an idiot and I hope that he won't take the horrible advice offered.

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dont listen, its not like she's a chick. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

but I call bullshit on each and every one of you who advocates not playing games. That's like being at a test when you're allowed a cheat sheet, and not having one. They do it EVERY TIME so level the playing field.

When they stop playing games all the time (only certain ones ever will) its because they hear a little biological tick-tick-tick.

No offense to the females here, but I will not accept a denial of my statement. No matter the woman, no matter how much she says she wants a straightforward relationship... she WILL play at least one game or two in the course of dating.