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If you had hit your draw, were you going to c/r (or check call for a T, maybe) or bet out?

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Bet out. The 8 puts a four-straight on board and I think lots of hands check behind that will make a crying call if I bet. Even if he bets, I think he often doesn't pay off the raise. If he had a pair, the queen would put two overcards on board and I think he may wuss out and take a free showdown if I check.

Really, I think the more relevant question is "If that ace had really helped me would I bet out?"

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I agree, that is a relevant question. I think a more relevant question is: "Does my opponent think enough to put me on some rough range of hands? If so, is he observant to note that this is how I would play my A-hi hands? If so, is he now capable of acting on this information to fold a pair?"

I don't think all these conditions occur enough to make it worthwhile against unknown 10/20ers. Give me some reads / history to work with and I'll take your side. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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