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Old 10-28-2005, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: Weak 4th street check?

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Results are important. We can't really theoretically say how we get the most value out of hands in some situations. I got 18 bets out of this hand.. I can afford to lose a few times if the hands play out similarly.

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I agree, that is why I end my post in the question. Does it do this often enough? I don't know, I was interested in whether people think it does. I suspected it didn't, but I could well be wrong.

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Blindly betting on 4th when my opponents are definitely correct to call against me, but I may not be so against one of my opponents seems like a decent time to check. If i caught two pair, a flush card, then i go ahead and bet.

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Well, the flush card is horrible in this instance, but I understand how you feel. I just think that the less hands you are up against here, the better. If it gets checked or single bet through, then a lot of people get later into the hand. You now have a lot of people attempting to outdraw you. You might have enough equity that you do not care. However, I think it makes your decisions on later streets tougher, if nothing else. They might be correct to call you regarding their pot odds - but, are they correct to call to the end knowing you have a nice hand and are going to bet and raise? Further, if they might fold when they should call, you are forcing them to make a mistake.

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Everyone is talking about clearing the field on 3rd.. The completion was made and it didn't clear the field. I raise on 3rd for value.

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I think the fact that it didn't clear the field should be tackled two-fold here. First, in a tight game a completion from Jack-door should be folding quite a few hands - especially the early players. Second, I think the completion is *more* likely to get called here given the door of the completing bettor.

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A lot of you would be better off switching your mindframe in small stakes games.. If your raising to get it heads up, and your opponents refuse, you're the one making the mistake often, not them.

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This may be the case, I play a lot lower and a lot worse than you. If you want to highlight where I am wrong, then I am grateful for this.
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