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Old 10-22-2005, 11:31 PM
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Default Re: $.25/.50 Did I have the odds to call straight draw?

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Even at a loose table, a UTG or UTG+1 raise indicates a certain level of hand strength. Not to mention that the fact that the TABLE is loose doesn't tell us anything about the RAISER (lots of TAGs play at loose tables). So, even at 9:1, in the absence of other information, playing an offsuited one-gapper with no high-card value is a touch loose.

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But with 9 to 1 pot odds, don't I just need a 10% or better chance to win to make this a good call? Sorry I haven't looked but I would imagine that with 5 players, even if one player had AA and the others had combinations of things like Ax and QJ, that I would still have at least a 10% chance plus added implied odds for if I hit against the loose callers.

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You make a good point about your equity. Against AA and 3 random hands, 97o has 12% equity. The problem with that calculation is it assumes you're going to the river regardless. Are you really continuing on a K62 flop just to hit running T 8? Of course not. What do you do on the flop if it's 9-high? What implied odds do you have then?

Playing 97o vs. a preflop raise puts you in all types of tricky situations - especially multiway. I don't think anyone here is trying to say it's a horrible call that no one should ever make. It's just a bit loose.
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