[Double Down]

You have got to be kidding. The drop, win, and hold is proof that it doesn't work? Just like in blackjack, the VAST majority of craps players aren't precision shooting, and the ones that are aren't doing it correctly. And those that are, it's still possible that those that do aren't bankrolled enough for the swings. That's like saying that the drop, win, and hold at blackjack is proof that counting doesn't work. Sheetwise, I'm surprised that this idiotic logic is coming from you. To the person who said that a weekend of shooting craps isn't enough data, yes, I completely agree. Completely! In fact, at this seminar, I was hoping that someone there had compiled data from their results so that I could see something more concrete and long term, but there was no such data to my disappointment. But I will say that the way that the course teachers reacted during the rolls made me think that it wasn't some anomaly. These guys were used to seeing these long rolls on a regular basis.