[jthegreat]

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You still didn't give me any general principles that I'm ignoring.

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Well, I thought I did, but I'll be more clear. In that first example, both men were acting on the principle "helping others is good", despite the fact that their specific actions were different. You say "different actions = subjective" while I say "acting on same principle /= subjective".

The shoes example... I said "you'll have to concede that there are situations in which they act different based on *different* values and each result is morally equivalent." However, Albert is trying to insult Fred and Bob is not. These are not morally equivalent actions, so your example is flawed.

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(I could say that Albert leaves his shoes on, and would then argue that these two different actions are morally equivalent, because their values are different.)


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But in that case, their values aren't different, or more accurately, their heirarchy of values isn't different. They each place Fred's wishes above their own since it's his house and they each do what they consider respectful.