[keetz555]

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what better hands are folding? AK? trip 4s?

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Yeah. Cute. No, hopefully a slightly better king will fold. Wouldn't you fold something like KT when you're faced with a bet and a raise?

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why would you want to "define" your hand on such a rag flop in this small pot?

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Because I want to take it down. A weak king is a far cry from a strong hand here. Why would you want to slowplay top pair/weak kicker in a family pot?

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if you're bet into on this board and you have a weak king and are so eager to define your hand, why is folding 77 so great for you? or why raise on the flop IF someone is going to pay off with 77 and win .5 sbs here when you can raise the turn and get 1BB and double your winnings?

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Because there are opponents to be heard from. I don't want overcallers. I want position on the turn.


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1. now humor me and take my "calling station" line with the K: the river you're bet into with your King-weak kicker and river your 3rd King: you raise- he folds.

2. you contribute to the rake and win nothing from a bluff draw, weaker 4 or other pocket pair.

3. OR you raise and are 3-bet on the river, are you folding? i would doubt it with 3 of a kind, so you lose the max.



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1. Well, he DIDN'T fold, so I don't see your point. You will get a lot of calls from weaker hands here. Pocket pairs, two pairs etcetera.

2. If I raise and he folds, so be it. In that case, I win the same amount whether I raise or call. And I NEVER think about the rake when I raise. You shouldn't either.

3. Probably not. And that's one of the reasons for raising on the flop. Again, you define your hand. Possible scenario: Flop: he bets, you raise, only he calls. Turn: he checks, you bet, he calls. River: he bets, you call. In this case, you don't raise, because there's a good chance he has a better king.

Conclusion: raise the flop.

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BTW, LOVE this comment. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i am then a self-proclaimed calling station and love it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Okay. I'm tight-aggressive and I love it. To each his own.