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I only heard Dawkins talk for a few minutes in an interview (hope I can catch the rerun - interesting chap) and he seems to feel the same as you, chez.

Two things:

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Could any rational person want to cause needless suffering?

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Ignoring the question for a minute, what about those that are not rational? The insane for example - or those that simply chose not to be rational.

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'It is immoral to cause needless suffering.'

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What about “needed” suffering? If I need you to suffer for a bit so I can experiment on your brain - is that ok? Or some other extreme (even not so extreme) example.