[astroglide]

i'm not asking 20k for it. the loan bit is probably true. i don't know what he has in terms of cash to apply toward it, but i would think it would be a value to get so much car for the same amount of money as whatever in addition to the fact that the "standard" drive-off-the-lot depreciation is already worked into the car. plus it's been around for a few years with nary a problem so reliability concerns are signifigantly allayed.