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Old 10-06-2005, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: Short NL 200 holdem decision, misplayed KK OOP?

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Villain just called the turn bet. If he had a flush or 2pair+, he would likely raise. Thus we are likely in the lead against a calling opponent. I listed many hands that would call like this that we still beat: QJ, TJ, TT-77, and KJ. These hands will pay off the smallish bet. The thing is we don't want to give a free showdown to these hands, but we also don't want to price ourselves in with a large blocking bet as you pointed out in your other post. Pretty rare to find an opponent in ssnl that is calling twice then bluff raising the river.

As to the idea that he will bluff bet on the river: what the hell hand is he going to bluff on an ace river? He will likely shut down with all the hands we beat. Do we really think he has the naked K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and is going to get wild on the river and bluff us off the best hand?

How big of a bet do we want to check/call? 2/3 pot, full pot, a push? He is going to bet us quite a bit if that card beat us, but he will check if we beat him.

It seems to me that there are next to zero hands that would bluff here so trying to catch a bluff is just spraying chips.

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I highly disagree with this. There are many hands that will bluff at this point. BlueBear has represented most likely some type of high pocket pair or AK. If villain is ballsy enough, he may take a gamble and guess that bluebear does not have AA or AK. If this is the case, he may just push all-in with the ace out, knowing that this was the one card that bluebear did not want to see, but I believe most people at this point would check behind without that ace, unless they actually have it. I agree with those who say a check/call would be the best idea at this point. Whether you want to call an all-in is up to you and your reads on this player. The best hand I would give the villain credit for would be AJ. Two-pair or set would have raised you at some point earlier, to deter you from drawing out on him, therefore, I believe you are beating many more hands that villain could hold than you are losing to.

Also, I think you should have checked that turn and hoped to just check call small bets to a showdown. That third [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is a very scary card, and it is very possible that he was drawing to a flush because of his cold calling your flop bet. It's possible that he has a made flush here and because of his position behind you, is simply calling your turn bet with the intention of raising large your river bet. Check/call or check/fold this river.
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