yeah, ive been thinking about the situations where you just get called. But, that to me is rare...and if thats the case, then i feel i am solid post flop and hope i get a piece...i agree there are down sides to it...it ISNT a push and not equal, but i can live with the results. they have been really good for me. next time you take a step down a level and are thinking of trying some new moves...give it a shot and let me know how it works out for you.