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Old 10-04-2005, 07:30 PM
Dr. StrangeloveX Dr. StrangeloveX is offline
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Default Re: Limping QQ under the gun

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There are so many good reasons to limp QQ UTG in a deep stacked game... what you want is to isolate headsup AJ, AT, JJ and worse. Now imagine if you limp also QJ, 87s etc; your limp here isn't scary. The deception that comes with the initial limp if the pot preflop builds up to something worthwhile (20-30 BB) is exactly what you want - I'm betting pot when it gets back to me. A short stacked (100BB ish) AK-AJ, JJ, TT is almost always going to push here and put you on TT or worse. If you raise UTG and shortstack pushes - I'm going to have to call unless you know shortstack's pushing range is AA-KK; generally it's far bigger (I see A9 suited; AJ suited pushing here all the time in a 2/5 nl game) and there's a reason why they are shortstacked. This way there is a bigger pot filled with dead money. If it goes multiway and a family pot occurs - see the flop with the 3rd best starting hand in hold'em. Check/bet/call/fold depending on the board - easy.

Now imagine you (standard TAG) raised UTG (7x BB for example) with a stack of 500BB. Someone with 700BB reraises. What now? Without a read this is a clear muck situation. 4/1 dog at worst, flip at best because you've already declared your hand as a premium and now someone that covers you is raising you. If you raise UTG and gets called by tricky deep stake (who would call with AA) - what now? What can you put him on? Rag board can be scary; broadway is scary, a 87, 67, 56, 98, any paired board is scary. You are out of position and you cannot proceed with any confidence and is liable to be outplayed postflop unless you hit your set. Call and hope to hit a set or muck.

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if this is a joke it is pretty impressive
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