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I mostly posted this for the comfort in knowing I made the right play.

I was torn on the turn; I thought about folding, calling and raising for a free showdown. I folded. EP1 showed down Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and E2 showed down JJ.

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Folding the turn is definitely the right play with no reads, I also think you should not of capped the flop, as a check 3 bet on this board usually spells doom. The minute i read that the guy checked 3 bet the flop I put him on a set, as I dont think most players would do this with J9 or 97 against 2 opponents out of position. If there was a flush draw on the flop, then I think you should call down since it may be possible that the villain has a 12 outer or more, flush draw + straight draw or flush draw and a pair type hand.

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Westley, I'm usually a fan of your posts, but I really disagree with you here. I see the check/3bet with TPWK often in this game. In fact, I'm calling the flop 3bet and raising the turn (provided it isn't an ace). As it is (4bet/ace turn/opponent leads out, next guy calls), I am folding here. The lead out on the ace turn almost seems like he wants you to believe your ace is good. I won't believe him if I am the only one in the pot, but as is, I can fold here.

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If this type of play is happening often than my analysis is flawed, and the hero will be folding too many hands in big pots. From my own experience, I dont see the check/3bet for value play very often, and when I do see it, it is almost always a set, and sometimes two pair, that is when there is no flush draw on the flop. Only a total lag would 3 bet in this situation with anything else. When you say that you are going to call the flop with the intention of raising the turn, you are basically saying that there is a decent chance that this person is a lag based on the avg distribution of players in this particular game.(And your analysis could easily be correct) However, then Folding the turn once the ace hits is contradictory. If a person is lag enough to 3 bet the flop for value with a hand that cant beat an overpair, than he is certainly lag enough the bet the turn on the ace card with that same weak holding. If I approached the hand the way you did, I would raise the turn despite the ace, as this pot is still quite large and theres a decent enough chance that I may still be best, so I would want to protect my hand. My intentions on the river would be to check for a free showdown. So if I approach the hand my way, I am folding the turn, and if i approach the hand your way I am raising the turn, If I'm heads up I would have no problem just calling down. Although I still believe folding the turn is right against the typical opponent, I may be wrong, but Im also convinced that if you still think theres a decent chance you have the best hand on the flop, folding the turn becuz the ace hit is also wrong.