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Old 09-28-2005, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: Foolish Choices

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If you believe in those things then you think there are some instances where curtailment of freedom results in a greater good.

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Wrong, curtailment of freedom is never for the greater good.

However, freedom cannot be imposed by outsiders. Cant you see that alleged freedom delivered at the point of a gun is not freedom.

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People in Vietnam don't like the communists telling them what to do.

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Perhaps, but they like outsides meddling in their business even less.

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The same is true in Iran. Do you see many people glad about the revolution? Do they worship the clerics like they once did or do they despise them

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Perhaps they dont worship the clerics -- they are not supposed to btw. Perhaps they dont even respect them. But you think they would welcome a liberating force. Most likely they would do it the same way that the Iraqi's welcome our liberation force.

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If they had fought to establish a democracy then that would have represented the people and given then freedom and a voice. But if they were fighting for that, we wouldn't need to be there in the first place.

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They (the Viet Cong) were fighting to free the country (from the french and the US) of the outsider. That should be the first goal of any society. The fact that we in our wisdom, moved Ho Chi Minh etc away from the west into the arms of the communists was irrelavent to the average Vietnamese. Their first goal was to take back their country which they did in the 70's. Now they are free to build a society they want to. Perhaps someday soon, they will even overthrow the communists and have some sort of free elections -- who knows, it is their business in either case.

Getting into comparing which type of oppression is better is pointless. Almost every country has a nationalist feeling which makes them want to be free from the outsider. This has been true for centuries.

And yes, we should not have gone to Vietnam (and Iraq) in the first place.
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