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Old 09-26-2005, 09:50 AM
GooperMC GooperMC is offline
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Default Re: wild live plo8 hand

At the risk of sounding like Sluggo fold the flop, fold the turn.

On the flop:
You are drawing to the bottom end of the str8 which is almost never a good idea in O8. Here is why, there are only 4 cards in the deck that allow you to handle heavy action. Of those 4 cards all of them put a low draw out and 3 of them put a flush draw out. This seems like a cut and dry fold.

On the turn:
You have:
1) 3 outs that make a non nut str8 w/ no low w/ no flush ([Kc] [Kd] [Kh])
2) 1 out that makes a non nut str8 w/ a flush ([Ks])
3) 6 outs for a nut str8 w/ a low w/ no flush ([8h] [8c] [8d] [6h] [6c] [6d])
4) 3 outs for the best str8 w/ a low w/ a flush ([8s] [6s], [As])
5) 4 out that make a low that don’t give you anything else ([7c] [7d] [7h] [7s])
6) 3 outs for the nut, nut ([Ah] [Ac] [Ad])

Lets convert all of these to approx scoop outs
1) 2 (because there is a chance that you are beat by a higher str8)
2) .25 (there is a good chance that you are beat)
3) 4.5 (there is a chance that someone is playing A3 or 35 to take some of your low pot)
4) 1 (chance you are beat both ways)
5) 1 (only playing for 1/2 the pot and there is a chance that you are beat for the low)
6) 3

That means you have around 12 outs +/- a few. That would mean that you need around 2.7:1 on your money to break even.

That means I would fold to the first turn bet esp. because it was a very laggy game so it is likely someone will raise behind you. When the action come back around to you I probably would call but I would be pissed at my self for the previous 2 calls.
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