[lil feller]

I'm not very handy with poker stove, but I would guess that if we put the limper on a reasonable range of hands, the MP raiser on TT+, AJo+, ATs+, KQs, KQo, and the cold callers on any pair, any suited ace, any broadway (?) and medium sized suited no-gappers. Put hero on his hand, of course. I'm guessing that that none of the hand ranges will have a commanding lead. Combine that with the fact that hero has position, and the game is passive, and I can't understand how you feel this is such a clear fold.

You keep quoting chances of "flopping" monster hands, but thats not all thats at stake here. He can flop draws, which he can draw at cheaply in a game so passive. He also has good implied odds should he make the best hand as clearly his opponents are horribly loose/passive.

Do you have any other real reasons for folding here, because just spouting off doesn't account for all the times hero can draw for free, or take into account all the bets he'll make when he hits.

lf